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Facebook is bad for artists?

Journal Entry: Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:19 PM



I had some interesting findings after posted a poll on DA regarding my Facebook Fan Page. Many have commented that they are against Facebook and discourage me from posting art over there due to various reasons, and one of them due to the possibility of having my art being used freely by this social media site. So here are my thoughts based on my experience running a FB page for a year.

The main reason for me to set up a facebook page, is to extend my fanbase beyond DA, to the not so artist-oriented demographics. I have been using DA, and only DA, as my art HQ for the past decade and will always be. Facebook is acting as an outpost to connect with my fans in a more responsive manner due to the convenience of making posts, replies, making announcements and sharing images. Honestly, it is not my intention to choose between DA and FB, but to use both concurrently for different purposes. 

So far I have not encountered any incident of FB using my images for advertising or any other commercial activity yet. Long before I started posting art on social media sites, my artworks were posted and shared by others on FB, twitter, tumblr, instagram, pinterest..etc, and many times without the proper credit to me. Worst, they were stolen, distributed and used illegally on a daily basis, cos there many of them found my art on these platforms without knowing I am the original creator. Now at least they can tag me on facebook or instagram if they choose to.

So is facebook bad for artists to promote their art? I can't answer for all but it works for me so far, especially with their efficient mobile apps. I am using it as an extension of dA, not the replacement of it. 

My Facebook Fan Page: www.facebook.com/Stanleyartger…
My Instagram name: Artgerm 




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MY DA INTERVIEW

For those who wanna know a little bit more about me, you can find the interview here:

news.deviantart.com/article/20…

Written by :iconthunderstatement: <--- Thank you!
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RenderedThoughts Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
Also this too was great.. I was debating not making a facebook page for my art since their terms of service say you don't copyright for anything you upload.
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Admahum Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2014
Wow, thanks for the honest opinion about this. I have heard of some artists getting their work ripped off or not credited, but the artists I know directly that have facebook pages seem to be ok with having their art on facebook. I even have some stuff on there and I don't think anyone has stolen my work. It also helps that I post low-res images (unless it's a sculpture).
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Kauthar-Sharbini Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
for me the answer is YES! 
I"m against posting whole works in FB ! Why? the arts stole easily. then there is no chance for credits   !
Don't worry , I also  post at FB but just link from FB to DA . 

but it's up to the person , some people against my idea and tell I made it hard ! 

It's OK ^^ thanks for your FB link :la:
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VAlzheimer Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I know plenty are against Facebook, but I have to repeat what you said: art theft doesn't choose a place. It can get stolen be it here or there just as quick. Others point out about "privacy issues". There is one rule that goes for all internet in global (including here): if you want your privacy kept, keep it off the web, no exceptions and no portal/forum/website/network is worse or better, once you post it on the web - it's out.

On other side of the things, whether people like it or not, social media is currently the most powerful marketing tool. If you want to be heard and seen - you simply need to engage into it. Most of my popularity comes from Facebook and Twitter engagement and my personal Blogger blog that is connected to Google plus. Have I had issues? None. Have I had success? Let's just say that my blog is visited in 3 months in equal number of visits I have on DeviantART in 3 years spent here. 'Nuff said. While I was only here I sold nothing (none, not one print, not one commission), being on social network I sell enough to cover my monthly buying needs for art I make and DAZ contents tend to be quite an expensive deal.

So everyone should simply stop whining, learn what internet is and think out the strategy if they want to break through.
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motionwind Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
Well you know how it is, if people are going to be somewhere talking about you, you might as well be there to be a part of the conversation, it's the same reason why I think any brand should have a Facebook page
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rainygami Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
pues para subir imágenes prefiero el deviantart, uso Facebook solo para estar en contacto con mis amigos y trabajo
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Manami-Miku Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist
I can actually agree with you on this
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Jones3d Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014
Once something is digital, forget it.  It's everywhere. If the resolution you publish on the web is low rez, like people said, that's a good way to keep your high res originals more 'pristine'. Also, watermark your art with your signature. That way its easy to point at and claim, with a complicated watermark or hidden trademark in the piece.

People might be also complaining because they don't want to see every painting on their feed, and many people don't know how to manage their feeds...

Facebook is a great way to get your name out there, and for showing up in the web in searches to get work, its great. Posting topics like this is also good for your SEO if you blog again about how you blogged here, then link it for instance.  The images you upload could also be named with a convention that includes YOUR name, so when someone simply copies and reposts, it will only help people find you all over the web by searching for your name.

Food for thought. 
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Pierropod Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014  Professional Artist
I use Facebook too. www.facebook.com/pages/Art-Of-… I only upload my work with a low resolution. So even if some people steal it. They won't do a lot with it. And I kind like when they steal it. It means that I am not too bad. :) 
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TakeruTakumi Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
well i will say, yes. because sometimes we don't know that our artwork, our best hardwork even though sometimes it's worst. some people dont care and they take the drawing/artwork as their own without letting us know it (Art thiefting) and it makes the artist angry because you stole his/her hardwork and they used it for making them famous. and who have the real skill/talent and have the artwork must being hated because no one would believe them. and i'm sorry but if this is happened to some amateur they will get easily stressed because no one respect them because the stolen. maybe some believes that it is their art but what if they dont believe? i called it as a "bullying" and i dont like it
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ArtificialMutt Featured By Owner May 28, 2014  Student Digital Artist
If stolen images are the only reason why not to use Facebook... then art shouldn't go anywhere on the web because it gets stolen no matter where it's posted. So, no it's not bad to use FB.
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Refielle Featured By Owner May 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We can't win over art theft anyway so why bother? Especially in terms of unseen artists like me. :XD: So far it only brought me more visitors than harm. Maybe I'd care more if I were as popular as you? I don't know. Gotta try being popular to know this, haha. :D
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stinckie Featured By Owner May 19, 2014
I don't go to DA on a regular basis , so i love seeing your work on Facebook!
I'm also in the process of recreating your artwork in the videogame Forza Motorsport 5, and I will tag you on Facebook when i've posted it :)
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poisonedwaters Featured By Owner May 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It isn't Facebook that is bad, it is the people using it. Most of these people don't even know how bad it is to post art without the proper credit or link back to the artist. I think you are doing a good thing making yourself known and giving people a chance to show those who don't know what they are doing is bad and that there is an artist behind this art. I know you are one of the biggest artist I see all over the net and most of the ones posting it don't even know you, the artist, exists. I want to see that change.
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Artgerm Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for your comment. :)
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poisonedwaters Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You are very much welcome :D
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ChrissiRee Featured By Owner May 12, 2014  Professional General Artist
I feel that in order for people to know your art to have to spread out over different networks. Claim your name. The Internet is a vast ocean DA is so small compared to it. The fact that people can get to know you on a different network can increase your chances of being referred to when someone posts your art. I won't say that it will decrease theft but it will increase opportunities.
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MissPaperJoker Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I think itīs neccessary to use social media sides for networking.
But as for facebook, one should be careful as to what you upload. I read facebooks terms of use and agreement and they say any picture uploaded there does not belong to you anymore, it belongs - by copyright - to facebook. Many people do not care about it, and I donīt think facebook will give trouble to artists for selling their work anyway, but I have an uneasy feeling about it. Artists could still run into trouble.
But as long as one uploads only wips or photographs of the artwork with workspace around it, they own only the photograph, not the work on it.
Now I feel the need to say that Iīve read facebooks terms like a year and a half ago and they may have changed this. Iīll have to go check anyway, because I want to use facebook for connecting someday, too. As much as I donīt like facebook because it feels like a huge spy base, I still think itīs kinda important for an artist to follow and use the media available to their advantage.
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ecchi-Maya Featured By Owner May 11, 2014
Should you be on FB? I don't know, I don't have an account so I don't know what happens there. But... Let's put it this way.
I've seen your artwork in several places over the years. Some of the pictures are among my favourite pieces, but I've never known where they came from. Some of them are edited, many are low-res, but none of them have been credited to anywhere. It wasn't until I, today, stumbled upon your dA-account that I found out who had made the pictures. Yes, I'm amazed by your gallery. Internet will promote your art only if credit is given, and many people don't.
I'd say your point for being on FB is well-thought out. For every posting of one of your pictures that gives you credit you have won a large victory.
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Kaz-MagicArts Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i personally think that using whatever media you can is a good way to expand your networking with anything.  whether its business, art, connecting with friends, etc.  i'm not a very well known artist, but using Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr has helped me in a long run at getting more noticed.  yeah, either if you are using DA any other site, you're at risk of people stealing your artwork.  i can't say you can't avoid it, but that's the social media.  even if you place your artwork on DA, anybody can steal your work, so it wouldn't make much of a difference unless you watermark it or have copyrights to it.  its just my point of view on it, but you keep doing your thing, Artgerm.  i admire your work very much and follow you on DA and Facebook and its always a pleasure to see you post your art.
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Taures-15 Featured By Owner May 6, 2014
I am new to facebook and fairly old timer on DA and like them both for what they do!  I am still getting lost on facebook but slowly learning my way around there...  My kind of art doesn't get much attention there, but most of the peeps whom I friend with aren't much into art, being busy and all, so I am just using it to kind of stay connected to peeps whom I otherwise wouldn't see much of.  Working pretty well so far..
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Koenken Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Professional General Artist
I find Facebook to be good for artists for many of the same reasons you stated.
I use it to post my up W.I.P. images and keep in touch with a different fanbase,
like friends and family, that are not on DA.
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JazzChyk Featured By Owner May 4, 2014
There are a bunch of artists that I know who are on Facebook, if for no other reason than the community-- and the networking, where one might point another to a particular job that they found that is not in their own skill sets.
They also have fans who keep track of what they are up to, and enjoy seeing WiPs.
Facebook is bad for memes and chain-letter posts, but I don't think I've ever seen the artists say that their work was stolen/used for advertising, and my paintings have never appeared in anything other than my galleries on my personal site.
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extraterrestrialarts Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Professional General Artist
I left facebook because they are terrible when it comes to art.
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TedKimArt Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Good points, I've been thinking the same thing and plan at some point to at least open a project based FB page for the same reasons mentioned. 
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MiaMight Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love it because I feel like I get a sneak peek of your work and your progress - also some of your stuff from conventions! :)
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VonHollde Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Facebook is great to get close with non-artists. I actually encourage you to keep posting :D. Also Fb is a way faster method to send news about livestreams and etc dA is quite slow for me, since not everyday I read journals.
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theRealJohnnyCanuck Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
I know I hate going to facebook for art. It's just inconvenient.
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Eviecats Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
I finally made a fb page for my art dolls recently and I love it!  I never thought I'd get 50 likes in the first week.  Sure, some groups might repost my image without citing me, I see them do it all the time to others and cite the artist if I know who it is.  But overall I've seen a massive increase in my page hits in my etsy shop and I'm sure fb is why.  Being a career free lancer is hard, REALLY hard.  Networking in this day and age is the key.  I say just watermark and keep on doing fb!  If a fb group really wants to steal your image and post it they can just as easily steal it from da/etsy/live journal anyway.
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MyrkSuki Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
I do know I don't follow facebook at all compared to DA, which sorts new things out nicely and I can keep track of what I've seen, or at least tumblr that I can scroll through. 
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matkaminski Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I have heard that if you use an external site (I use tumblr and then link everything: twitter, instagram, etc.) to connect to all the other services, you shouldn't have any problem because then they are not directly connected to FB, and are instead all linked through tumblr instead. 
I mean, realistically it's probably the same amount of traffic, I just perfer to update one for all honestly.
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ErubescentFey Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I think there's a danger of your art being taken from any website, really. And Facebook is a great way to reach people that don't visit deviantART. I like the idea of there being a Facebook page for your art, but if you don't keep it, that's okay :) I support your decision either way.
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ChronoSFX Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I think you said it best that your art will get there (Facebook and other social media sites) with or without you.  Being more proactive in your exposure at least increases awareness and people's ability to find and identify you as the artist. 
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Sinphie Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
To be honest everyone here has their own idea, there's the good and the bad in everything and also in FB! but I would not be here if there was no FB, it is thanks to FB if I met so many talented artists and I was able to grow thanks to them, sharing is important! And thanks to facebook if I promote what I do! Unfortunately, many people take the work of others and put it on their pages, and take also from Deviantart!
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LaurenNGeorge Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I don't think Facebook is a good website for artists...when I want to display my art somewhere it would be here or tumblr! But no Facebook!
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Galishai Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I don't use Facebook, Instagram or any other social media site.  I do come to DeviantArt every day.  Anything you posted to FB will be missed by me.
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calleena Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I think it can be bad when people forget to upload to dA anymore. I think this page should be the main place for art, but that is very territorial protective of me and I realize that. I just don't want dA to suddenly fail like so many other galleries. 
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Modernerd Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I agree with this!
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Myselfsama Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Student Digital Artist
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rukiara Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Student General Artist
In this day and age I honestly think there is very little happy medium, great artists especially are just going to have to begrudgingly deal with art thieves or stop sharing their art in a forum such as this, but if they don't share it then they few times they do someone can steal it and no one will know who the original artist is because they aren't really popular. Art thieves have been around since the dawn of time and I think artists should use what is at their fingertips to connect with their fans because the more fans you have the more people can go "Uh that's not your artwork."

It's a shitty situation but you either alienate people from your art or flood them I think. LOL. 
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lstjules Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
that makes sense that you expand your audience. I do the same. I have been with DA for over a decade and it's the main place where I show my artwork. But I also have a Facebook page to get a different democratic and I also have a Blog. I've never encountered anything bad out of my Facebook page. 
I find that anywhere where you can promote your artwork to a wider demographic, the better. Because even though you want to share within the artist group for feedback. Most of my clients, aren't part of DA. 
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darkmotives Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
common issues in posting artworks (from WIPs up to any forms of art) 
1) art being stolen or used w/out asking permission
2) some of it are overrated to criticize other people's artwork inside and outside of DA and FB (my friend experienced that last year during an event)
3) cyberbullying (i never experienced that)


however, Facebook is another way to advertise your craft, express how you feel and think and so much more 
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Kitanya Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I use facebook for the convenience of the shares, credit, interaction, etc. But with the new limitations on what people see your page, well it has all gone down dramatically. I don't have many likes to begin with, but less than 1% of the people who like my page see the posts.
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Eamonodonoghue Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I think a lot of us on DA produce licensed art for various companies and publishers. Good luck to facebook if  they start using Spiderman art without permission.
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ArteyPasion Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with u Art and if they want to spread the germ via facebook, why not?
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alohakekoa Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I don't know how other Image hosting sites work but Facebook claims ownership of any image uploaded, according to their privacy statement.  They can reuse and resell your artwork any way they want, technically.  I don't know the frequency of incidents like that but just about everyone still uses it for advertisement and promotion.
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mikkichell Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
Tumblr is also a really good site to spread your art on as well, something worth considering.

Ultimately it's up to you what you do. But people aren't lying about facebook using it for advertising. One of my friends here on dA didn't even post her thing on facebook, I guess someone else did, but she saw it used on a facebook advertisement for an art school.
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fes0719 Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
I can't tell you if it is good for artist since I don't post things as a artist there
But there isn't any perfect things in the world so if you think Facebook is convenient and good to use to you, and the problems aren't exactly big, then I think it is fine to keep on using it.
There is a lot of people out there stealing art which is really nasty; but if you change a way of thinking it it is actually a praise: the liked your art, that is why they stole them. I don't mean that it is a good thing to steal others artwork but if you really think that is annoying maybe you can use watermarks or sth to show who actually drew this pic or sth.
Facebook sometimes is really stupid, but it still has some convenience in it. So I suggest you to think over the problem again and decide if it suits you or not. I hope you solve your problem soon! Really love your amazing skills!
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Cestarian Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hate facebook, I really do, it's not a site that can be trusted, but this doesn't mean it's not a site that can be used. It's perfect for public profiles like this, but it's a terrible idea to be uploading or discussing private stuffs on facebook since it's THE place for identity thieves to get intel on their targets, and it's also the best place to put a profile on people (i.e. put their personality and preferences on record) and a lot of rumors floating around (maybe more than rumors even) that several governments use this for that purpose.

I actually know a real life example where my mother and her husband who were registered as separate people (i.e. not living together) were found out through facebook (because they're in a relationship and clearly are living together from what can be seen on facebook) so facebook is one of the least safe places for your personal information on the internet.

I can give another example that facebook also tries to keep track of what kind of groups or people you like to point out "other people" or "other groups" you would like, but what this also does is selectively choose the ads that you're most likely to be interested in. This may seem harmless on the surface but if used correctly, that information is like a key to socially engineering you, reading your personality and predicting how you would react to certain conditions meaning anyone with that information (if the information is accurate) can manipulate you into all sorts of traps, and have an easier time figuring out a good way to blackmail or extort you in one way or another. And i'm not joking here, social engineering is done, a lot, and it's not even hard. It's really just a fancy word for making people believe a lie you told. All you need is to know how to be convincing.

So as long as you're not handing out your personal information on a silver platter, facebook is safe to use. Also common use for facebook is when people post that they're going somewhere (like on a trip somewhere, out of the country or camping) is a key to a goldmine in the hands of burglars.

Now for an artist? Facebook is not a good place for one very specific reason. Facebook compresses all images and severely damages their quality when they're uploaded. All of them. This isn't some conspiracy or pure evil or anything, it's just a requirement so they can fit all those mountains of images onto their storage devices. So facebook is not a good place to store photos and art, and an even worse place to find art to use for something (like wallpaper) which is like a + and a - at the same time. Although I don't see why I wouldn't allow anyone who likes my art enough to use it as a wallpaper for their computer, love should be free right? :love:

In other words, just be suspicious of facebook, don't trust facebook, but don't be afraid to use it.
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blackenedhonestyart Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Agreed. Good points!
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